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Post by allglorytogod on May 21, 2008 12:50:09 GMT -5
John 5 : 22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5 : 23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
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Post by kscarle on May 21, 2008 16:32:38 GMT -5
1Corinthians 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncoveredThis is a good verse I thought for this board.
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Post by allglorytogod on May 23, 2008 19:10:20 GMT -5
2 Corinthians 5 : 10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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Post by mitchell on May 24, 2008 11:33:42 GMT -5
Those are very good Scripture references (as all of them are). I've heard people say all my life, "Well, no one but God (our Heavenly Father) can judge anyone." - Then, when I really saw that verse - John 5:22 - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son . ." it was certainly enlightening.
As for 1 Corinthians 11:13 - Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered . .
I've heard a lot of people, who liked wearing their fancy hairdos, say that "the hair is the covering".
However, if that verse is logically interpreted asking the question in reverse - Is it comely that a MAN pray unto god COVERED? - Well, I've seen lots of preachers with longer hair than their wives teaching that hair is the covering. - If one follows that logic, then one must insist that men would just have to shave their moppy coverings off then, and conversely, their wives might need to consider growing out their butchey haircuts.
Wanda
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Post by allglorytogod on May 24, 2008 21:19:03 GMT -5
Romans 14 : 10
But why dost thou judge thy brother ? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother ? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
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Post by allglorytogod on May 24, 2008 22:26:37 GMT -5
1 John 2 : 15,16
15 - Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 - For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
We best spend our time not judging others but spending time ridding our own lives of worldly things, practices, ideas etc...
Some spend so much time looking for ' faults ' in other Christians they fail to examine and make repairs in their own Christian lives
Are we walking as Jesus walked, obeying all the commandments, displaying all the fruits of the Spirit ... I need work in lots of areas ... my aim is to be 100 % in each area ... I'm sorely lacking so I need to continue to work in all areas ...
Jesus will return soon ... how will He find each of us walking ?
This is something I think about constantly ... it helps keep me in line 24/7 ... I am far from perfect but I work at it 24/7 ... I know He could be here at any moment ... will He find me swimming in sin or will He find me walking right ? ( trying my best )
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Post by allglorytogod on May 25, 2008 21:31:05 GMT -5
St. John 7 : 21 - 24
21 - Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22 - Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; ( not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers; ) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23 - If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day ?
24 - Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
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Post by allenehatherell12 on May 26, 2008 5:54:56 GMT -5
None of us are righteous...not one. We cannot earn our salvation. I think that becomes an issue when we think by doing 'things' we are some how better than another. Even our faith is by grace. We do the things we do, because we want to be obedient to our Holy Creator God and because we are convicted that they are what He leads us to do but we really ought not to let any pride creep in...and that is always a danger for us. Blessings, Sister Allene <><
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Post by allglorytogod on May 26, 2008 11:33:04 GMT -5
These things I have written have NOTHING to do with ' works salvation ' !!! Jesus did ALL the work . After we are saved we are to ' walk as Jesus walked ' , we are to be obedient to the teachings of the Bible . This is not a show of PRIDE or anything else ... you are WAYOFF in your understanding of this thread ... [/color]
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Post by kscarle on May 26, 2008 13:55:19 GMT -5
Sister Allene
Your input is appreciated, but we must remember to use scripture with scripture. Before salvation there is none righteous...I am not sinless by any means nor do I have any righteousness of mine own but I am declared righteous by the blood of Christ.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Now if it were not possible for us to be made righteous through Christ's blood then we would not have the filling of the Holy Spirit and our prayers would avail very little. I do believe in prayer.
1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
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Post by allenehatherell12 on May 26, 2008 18:06:51 GMT -5
I am sorry I seem to have upset you AllglorytoGod. I did not deliberately set out to missunderstand anyone, why would I? and actually on reading back through all the posts on this thread, I feel I have simply made a comment that is in fact valid. Others have also expressed themselves freely along my lines. I fully appreciate I am made righteous through Christ, what I was saying is I cannot become righteous by anything I do....and of course obedience is important. If we love God, we will obey Him in any way we can but we may then be prideful and judge others who do not make these same decisions. Sometimes we get so wrapped up on ''getting it right'' and doing all we can to walk as Jesus walked (an ideal we can aim for but never achieve) that we get focused on what we can do, rather than what He has already done. I seemed to have upset you and for that I am sorry but I am saddened by what has come across to me on the written page as a rather a harsh response. Which I am sure was not your intention. Sister Allene <><
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Post by allglorytogod on May 26, 2008 19:49:47 GMT -5
I am thisclose to leaving Love one another and be forgiving ...
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Post by George on May 26, 2008 22:47:36 GMT -5
I find that often verses which concern judgment are taken out of context and/or applied incorrectly.
(1Co 6:2) Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
(1Co 6:3) Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
The Bible does not teach us to stay away from judging others. Quite to the contrary it instructs us to do so. In the above verses we see that we are to judge the things that pertain to this life.
(Rom 2:1) Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
The apostle Paul writes the admonition against judging another has to do with our own hypocrisy. We cannot judge another if we are doing the same things. However if our spiritual life and our relationship with God is in line with what He wants it to be we have every right to judge others.
(1Co 11:31) For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
How can we determine if we are to fellowship with another if we do not judge that person? In what way are we to determine what form(s) of entertainment we are to be involved in if we do not judge not only the entertainment but the people who indulge in it? How can we determine if a person is truthful or not unless we judge that person and his or her character?
In Christ, George
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Post by Andrea on May 27, 2008 15:42:21 GMT -5
Amen, Brother George! I find the same thing. We need to be careful about picking and choosing verses to condemn certain actions. We are told to judge a righteous judgement. I have to judge things everyday.. like am I going to allow my children to associate with certain people or allow them to go certain places, ect. Our lives cannot be lived without judgement.
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Post by allenehatherell12 on May 27, 2008 20:57:27 GMT -5
Dear GlorytoGod, I apologize for any ill feelings that have occurred here. It was not my intent to offend anyone. I was merely expressing my opinions and feelings, in relation to the topics posted. It saddens me to see any disruption in the normally warm and supportive fellowship here. I hope this finds you rested and well. Blessings, Sister Allene <><
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