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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 22:30:43 GMT -5
You Bible scholars........I'm picking your brain
We studied today in Bible study about the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. The question was raised about the cultural differences between the Jews and Gentiles....................
The four things in verse 29 were particularly offensive to the Jews.........is that the reason they were commanded to abstain from them or is there a fundamental reason behind them? I'm thinking particularly about all of them except fornication...I think we know how to feel about that.
I know this could be a confusing discussion and not a salvation issue but I am wondering how we are to look at it today.....it's hard to relate to the things we are not faced with and we don't discuss these things much because we don't face it............could we say it's an ancient mandate that still means the same today?
Or were the apostles just simply solving a current problem and would say something different to us today that would have to do with our culture?
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Post by allglorytogod on Oct 20, 2008 0:04:45 GMT -5
I'm certainly no Bible scholar ... lol ... but I saw chapter 17 in Leviticus that talks about offering sacrifices unto devils ... it went on to say it will be a statute for ever unto them thoughout their generations ... It also talks about the blood ... ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh ... whosoever eateth it shall be cut off ... I'm probably no help to you but I tried ...
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Post by Brother Ben on Oct 20, 2008 11:36:31 GMT -5
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Act 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: Act 15:31 [Which] when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:Apparently this issue became so important that the council gathered and drew up this epistle for intruction to the church (importantly) BY the leadership of the Holy Ghost. Since the decision was inspired by the Holy Ghost and it was delivered in epistle form, then it was and still is to be taken literally. Having said that, I believe scripture can have a primary and secondary application. Since we don't actually have meat offered unto idols in 21st century America, we need to see how this applies to our modern context without violating the seriousness of this command. Let us consider: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols. There are things that in and of there ownselves, they will not send you to hell, but they will cause some to stumble and live "less than" in the name of Christ and religion, i.e., most CCM, immodest dress, etc. 1Cr 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 1Cr 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 1Cr 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 1Cr 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. From blood. This always was, and still is a health issue. Some cultures use animal blood alot for food products, but in light of the sickness that goes around, we shoud be careful about blood. "By recirculating animal by-products and waste, we may be creating new niches and opportunities for foodborne pathogens to enter the food supply and spread. In Great Britain evidence of the dangers of using animal by-products in livestock feed surfaced in the outbreak of mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE). The rapid spread of the illness, which likely resulted from feeding cattle meat and bonemeal from animals that already had the disease, was linked with more than a hundred cases of deadly Creutzfeldt-Jakob brain disease in humans who had consumed the infected meat. Since the outbreak among cattle in Great Britain in 1986, BSE has been found in animals in several European countries and Japan.
In 1997 the FDA banned the use of rendered remains of dead cattle and sheep in feed for U.S. ruminants, and there is no sign of BSE yet in the U.S. But many consumer groups are concerned that the government rules for animal feed include too many loopholes. Regulations still allow the use of animal blood and blood products as well as pig and horse protein. They also allow poultry to be used in cattle feed and cattle to be used in poultry feed. Is this an effective recycling of animal protein or a breach in a basic ecologic relationship with serious consequences for our food supply?"Taken from the article, 'Food: How Safe?' Republished from the pages of National Geographic magazine Written by Jennifer Ackerman May 2002 From things strangled. Animal cruelty is a big issue in our culture. We should be careful that we are not guilty of neglect and unkind acts to our animals and livestock for the good of the defenseless animals and the testimony of Christ. Pro 12:10 A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel. From fornication. In our sex soaked society, this is always a big red flag. We need to make sure our words and deeds are not in anyway compromising with things that come across as inuendo and outright immoral. 1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech [you] as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; That's my thoughts on the subject, you take it from there. Bro. Ben
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Post by seth on Aug 4, 2009 20:59:21 GMT -5
Later on this became an issue in the CHURCH at Pergamos and the teaching was upheld by CHRIST Rev 2:12 These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Ironically, we live in a culture where food is the idol. Brother seth
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Post by roger on Nov 14, 2009 11:05:13 GMT -5
Later on this became an issue in the CHURCH at Pergamos and the teaching was upheld by CHRIST Rev 2:12 These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Ironically, we live in a culture where food is the idol. Brother seth I agree, Seth. It's always a reprobate mind that seeks to satiate the flesh and then twist the Bible to suit the situation. Paul too, said in Romans 14:20-22 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
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