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Post by homeschoolmom on May 5, 2006 11:08:05 GMT -5
HII!!! Another homeschooling family we know is starting up a Boy Scout pack. It will be homeschooled children of various Christian demoninations, however, all of them are devout in their faiths (no wild stuff going on). I know the families from the local homeschooling meetings etc. Decent people. Nice kids. My husband and I thought it would be nice for the boys and my husband would be there with them but both of us are not sure about joining a secular group like this. We know NOTHING about the Boy Scouts and what they believe. Do they have anything in their groups that would offend us? Or is it just boys meeting for Boy Scout stuff? I'd like them to do the outdoor fun stuff that they do but is there more lurking around the corner... The Boy Scouts were not big in New York at all but they are very popular here in NJ for the homeschooled children. Anyone have any thoughts? I googled around and could not find anything offensive... In case you were thinking...I know that we are to be separate from the world..we just thought some hiking in an organized group and getting to do fun things that we normally wouldn't do (or know how to do) with the boys would be nice. ;D Thanks, Alice
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Post by benshelpmeet on May 5, 2006 11:43:05 GMT -5
Dear sister Alice,
There are some concerns about this organization and its underling practices. My dad wanted us to get Benjamin ( he's now 19) involved in the Cub scouts early on, but we read the book and the Lord told us ''absolutely not to join.'' So much to my daddy's displeasure we declined, and we are glad.
I do not have time right now to explain it all, but I will get on later and let you know all our concerns.
We wanted our son to know about nature and hiking, camping, etc so we studyed and bought the needed equipment and learned as a family. We are now quite versed as a family in theses areas and we ( our whole family) love nature hikes, camping, fishing, hunting, roughing it for even a week! We love it! It has drawn our family very close.
You can find really neat information on the internet!
I'll try to get on later and write more.
Love, ~ Darlene ~
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Post by Brother Ben on May 5, 2006 12:55:40 GMT -5
Sister Alice, Several years ago someone gave my son a Boy Scout Handbook as well as some other items. My wife and I did not have a good feeling about it because we went to a Jamboree that a family member was a part of. We were not shocked, but we saw that the imitation of an Indian pow-wow was a replica of what Indians did to summons spirits, the great spirit, etc. They did not say that is what they were doing, but what part of a Satanic ritual whether it be from the jungles of the Amazon or a camp site in America is o.k.? We wrote off the Boy Scouts immediately. I realize there are elements of the Scouts that are good, but I never like intermingling error with good it is not biblical. 2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
2Cr 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.Before I let my son have the Boy Scout Handbook, I gave it a good looking over. In this particular book, Wolf Scouts (or something like that, it played on the wolf theme,) it named the wolf, Aqui (pronounced a-as in awesome, and qui- key.) One day I was talking to a guy from India and that word popped up in my memory for some reason. I asked the guy from India what the word, agui meant. He told me that it meant one. It was used in the concept of spiritual oneness (this coming from a Hindu.) Luciferians and people of Masonic beant, call Satan, the one or the One. It permeats there philosophy. As in John Lennons phrase, "... and all the world will be as one." Satan does not care if he is observed outright, he will settle for subtility. I didn't like the American Indian thing, and I didn't like the fact that they told the young scouts to "Look to Aqui, for wisdom!!!!" Why can't godly men get together and just take the boys out camping and fishing? Who needs the Boy Scouts of America? Here is the scout promise: A Scout is: Trustworthy. A Scout tells the truth. He is honest, and he keeps his promises. People can depend on him. Loyal. A Scout is true to his family, friends, Scout leaders, school, and nation. Helpful. A Scout cares about other people. He willingly volunteers to help others without expecting payment or reward. Friendly. A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He offers his friendship to people of all races and nations, and respects them even if their beliefs and customs are different from his own. Courteous. A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows that using good manners makes it easier for people to get along. Kind. A Scout knows there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. Without good reason, he does not harm or kill any living thing. Obedient. A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them. [But if the laws command disobedience to God, they must be disobeyed.]Cheerful. A Scout looks for the bright side of life. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy. Thrifty. A Scout works to pay his own way and to help others. He saves for the future. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property. Brave. A Scout can face danger although he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at him or threaten him. Clean. A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He chooses the company of those who live by high standards. He helps keep his home and community clean. Reverent. A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others. [He should not be mimmicking Satanic Indian rituals. Insert mine.]These are terrific promises, but they can all be found in scripture. Why not take the boys out and teach them... The Godly Young Man Promise: Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Now that is my kind of citizen! My two cents worth, Bro. Ben
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Post by homeschoolmom on May 5, 2006 17:30:27 GMT -5
I had a feeling there would be something that was not right. I forgot about the Jamboree things. I heard about them on the news We can pass on the Indian pow-wow. How horrible.
Maybe it is the animal names of the dens that bothered me. Sounds a little like nature worship or something with a "new age" feel to it. My husband didn't like the idea of the boys in a "wolf den" or whatever they call themselves.
Thank you for the insight! ;D
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Post by Brother Randy on May 8, 2006 23:00:49 GMT -5
Just a side note here with the Indian pow-pow. Here in Montana we have a fairly large number of Indians. The state and mainly Indian activists are making it so that public school children are going to have to be taught Indian culture and ways in every class from the Indians view point. Now mind you I am not opposed to learning about Indians in a history class , but in every class?? no. I do believe deep down that this is just another way that Satan is trying to use to pull our children away from the Lord. All under the screen of needing to be more open mined and understanding of other groups and faiths.
Bro Randy
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Post by homeschoolmom on May 11, 2006 17:05:18 GMT -5
Randy, Exactly, You can visit an Indian religious ceremony but you cannot say the word Jesus without everyone suing. I'm tired of being so "open minded" for others when everyone is downright violent against our beliefs. I guess we don't count? I should also add that I learned that the Girl Scouts accept h*m*s*xuals as leaders. I dont' want to be mixed up with any of that-even if they are somewhat separate groups. Nix the boy Scout idea. ;D Alice
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Post by prv31wife on May 15, 2006 13:17:02 GMT -5
I had wondered about the Girl Scouts because I had anyone whining about the Girl Scouts not letting "those" type of women in as leaders. I had thought about Girl Scouts for my girls but I changed my mind. My girls did 4-H this year and had a lot of fun. They got to tour our local Red Cross facility, pack care packages for charity organizations and serve the veterans at a Veteran's Day ceremony. These are just a few things they got to do.
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Post by christena on Jul 8, 2006 19:42:40 GMT -5
Well, I guess I never knew much buot the Boy Scouts. BUt I ws a Girl Scout leader for a year or two and I had serious issues with them. The gist of it is they are out to encourage and help young girls of differeing ages to be carreer women. Very feminist and very anti traditonal family. The last straw for me was when a fellow leader called to ask my imput in how to handle a situation she had. The situation was one of her mothers was nursng her baby around the girls at meetings and they wanted it ot stop but didn't know how to tell her everyone including the other moms were not gonna allow that. I was a bit umm grumpy with her and as graciously as I could told her flat out if more women nursed babys and girls were witness to this maybe they'd in turn nurse thier babys...wern'et they encouraging thier girls to have familys someday? She was aghast at what I said. I wound up writing a l letter on my form with all my concerns and was told I'd never be a leader again. Thats okdokee with me ladys!
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Post by momof4kisses on Mar 8, 2007 9:17:19 GMT -5
My family was highjacked into joining Cub Scouts and Girl Scouts this fall. I was also talked into becoming a Girl Scout Leader. Even though my children are very disapointed I believe that those two months involved with scouting will be our last. First the poster who said that Girl Scouts is a feminist organization is correct. As I read through the books and did trainings I came to understand that barely any traditional feminine arts were taught. Girls have feminist values crammed down their throats at every turn. I also despised the new age feel to the ceremonies and traditions. I was being pushed to do one of the cermemonies but I did not feel comfortable with it at all. This ceremony called investure just did not feel right to me and I was dreading having to do it and was trying to find a way to make it into something "okay". Thankfully we moved and I dropped out promptly with moving as a nice excuse! I would rather try and start a group for future homemakers than submit myself and my impressionable daughter to such dribble again! With Cub Scouts I never thought too much about the indian stuff. I guess my years of public schooling did it's job and desensitized me to it, not good. The problems I was having with the program was how the leadership was mostly WOMEN. Women should not be teaching boys to be men! Why were fathers not steppinng up to lead their boys? I also did not like the way that scouts took so much time away from the family. They say that they are a family organization but I really do not agree. I think the time spent at meetings, jamborees, and activities with all these female leaders could be better spent with the boy's own family or better yet with his own father, grandfather, uncle, or brothers learning "manly" and Godly things. Oh and by the way the word in the Wolf book you were looking at was pronounced A-key-la. I had no clue what it meant but it is a word they use for anyone in a leadership postition to the boys. One of the parts of the Pack Law (or whatever) is The Cub Scout follows Akela, meaning the cub scout will follow good leaders such as the den leader, parents, teachers ect. I actually kind of figured akela was just another made up word like Webelos. Did you know that is just a silly nonsence word they made up? It stands for "we'll be loyal scouts". Now with all I have read here I wonder WHO they will be loyal to Scary! I am glad we are out!
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Post by joanneshr on Mar 8, 2007 13:01:29 GMT -5
We joined boy scouts when my oldest was still in Public School. ALL the teachers were women and parent/family involvement was not encouraged since the place they met was VERY small. I had no idea what was going on, nor did I care at the time (the heathen that I was) When we started homeschooling, we joined a homeschooling cub scout group. They were very Christ centered, and family oriented - a whole different world to say the least. You could not even join the pack unless you agreed to come with your child and participate. All the leaders were men and the helpers were their wives. We eventually dropped out of this as well; mostly because I did not agree with some of the activities the boys were allowed to do and the bad influences of some of the older boys. Later on when I became a saved Christian, I realized that the scouts were not a godly organization, no matter if Christ was taught within the group or not, for all the reasons mentioned already ... A few years ago we bought books from Keepers of the Faith - Keepers at Home for girls and Contenders of the Faith for boys. There are some groups around the US that meet like the scouts meet, but we just use the books for ideas on what crafts or projects we'd like to try together. It's a great enrichment for homeschooling, and a nice way to discover activities and crafts you may not have known about before. They are a godly organization, although I cannot say whether or not I agree with ALL their beliefs. Some churches use their books as a Wednesday night program for children. My best advice, if you cannot do it together as a family, it does not need to be done (when it comes to stuff outside the home). We stick to activities we can all enjoy as a family and share in the fun together. We do not agree with being split up. My two cents
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Post by titus2daughter on Mar 20, 2007 10:54:19 GMT -5
My brother just recently joined a boy scout group and although looked upon as one of the "christian" groups, he was sorely disappointed at the lack of christian character and settings hes foudn himself in. The main, and really only reason he is in boy scouts is to get his eagle scout to make him more competetive to get into the Air Force Academy. He recently went on a 2 day campout with the scouts that at their "church" service he said was very much focused on "mother nature" and the like. I am very proud of my brother that he stood strong and wouldn't praticipate the the "prayers" and such in his group and I really hope that after he joins Civil Air Patrol or ROTC, that boy scouts won't be as needful.
(ie: About the groups that are often called like the "wolf" pack or similar, at least from my brother's troop, its up to the boys ot decide the name so you can find groups that are not name like that. My brother belongs to the "duct tape patrol" ;D)
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Post by SisterNancy on Dec 19, 2007 17:09:49 GMT -5
There are christian programs that your son or sons can join that would be healthier for Him. You said you were in NJ. I will say this...the boyscout counsel in Burlington County covered up abuse (not sexual) and told the leader who made the complaint and made it like that person and the boy were at fault! So, If you were in that county I would say stay away!! like as if it was a building on fire! I admit I did not read all the other responses as I jumped down to reply. but, if you are in another county consider that your troop will have to join the other troops who are non Christian groups for events. Like summer camp etc. there are some badges that you can only do at summer camp and so to go all the way thru and be an eagle scout you will need to go. the abuse happend at summer camp and their response was to take away the phone and not let the boy call home. How do I know all this..It was my son.
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Post by SisterNancy on Dec 19, 2007 17:19:37 GMT -5
{ My girls did 4-H this year and had a lot of fun.}
Just so you know the 4-H is run by the government ie: agriculture dept. They just sent out notices to all their leadrs that they now have to sign a contract stating among other things that they will allow Homosexuals into their group. These groups are "closed" groups of local homeschooling christian kids. but if they didn't sign the thing they had to stop their meetings immeadiately. This came out in Dec. the middle of the year for most programs. Our whole homschooling community is pulling out. The local 4-H said it was handed down to them from the state. just info I thought I'd share.
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Post by SisterNancy on Dec 19, 2007 17:21:43 GMT -5
oops, sorry I just realized this was an old post. sorry.
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Post by prv31wife on Dec 19, 2007 19:41:55 GMT -5
No problem Sister Nancy! I like visiting old topics in case something new I can learn or maybe it's a topic I completely missed the first time around. It's best to not even let your sons and daughters into Boys or Girl Scouts. My girls are in 4-H but I didn't realize about the homosexual issue. Our club is all members of our Christian homeschool group. I plan on checking the California State 4-H website and see if there is such an ordinance there. It wouldn't surprise not one bit with California being such a liberal state.
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