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Post by allglorytogod on May 15, 2008 12:40:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation ... I didn't know what it was called ... lol ... and it was triangular in front and back
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Post by kscarle on May 15, 2008 20:36:00 GMT -5
That sounds like interesting reading. I have mentioned before that there are alot of Mennonite in our area, but I know there are differences in Mennonite Amish dress and I may get some pointers. My husband likes the idea of a cape dress. I like the pink dress Sister Darlene has on in the picture. I know how to sew but I ain't sure I'm good enough to make a cape part of a dress.
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Post by kscarle on May 15, 2008 21:39:07 GMT -5
My husband has actually considered growing a beard on a couple of occasions but I don't think it is allowed at the Bible college he attends...it is not some massive university, there are about 10 of us students so he would definately not be able to pass that off well. Yes I do believe there is something about it in the Bible. I took it to mean no goatees or such as that, but I really do not know for sure.
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Post by allglorytogod on May 17, 2008 17:52:28 GMT -5
I wanted to mention just one more thing about the Amish in my area ... I wondered if other Amish in different states had a similar type horse as the one the Amish around here have ... these horses are magnificent looking ... the ones I have seen out grazing or working the fields are usually a pretty light brown color ... others may have the same type horse but theirs may have the brown plus some white ... they are very strong looking compared to the average horse ... they also have a large hoof ... it is an awesome sight to watch a team pulling a plow behind them with just one Amish man controlling all of them by himself
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Post by allglorytogod on May 17, 2008 18:36:32 GMT -5
I forgot something I thought interesting to mention ... yes it's about the Amish and their plowing ... just past their farms I will see a modern farmer in his giant tractor doing his plowing ... yes it is lots of work to push the accelerator and steer ... not ! lol ... picture the Amish man in the hot sun, dressed in black ( not the color to wear in the sun ) with just a straw hat ...
He is behing this team of horses kicking up dust ... he is standing up steering the horses while trying to keep his balance ... the ride on the plow must be a very bumpy one ... both hands on the reins ... how would this poor man swat a fly that just landed on his face I wonder ... is he getting dehydrated working so hard in the hot sun ? ... awesome sight ... this description is for all you big city people ... if there is any here
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Post by mitchell on May 17, 2008 19:46:23 GMT -5
These scriptures are the old Jewish law. (Leviticus is the book of Law). We have to be careful about why we're doing things; St. Paul was vehemently in opposition toward attempting to follow the old Jewish laws. We must not start out in the Spirit only to fall back into the law (which is the flesh). It is wonderful, though, to be able to wear a nice beard and follow Biblical examples without having to worry (well, hopefully not us women ) - to be free in Christ. I personally don't regularly eat the meats listed as scavengers in the Bible (such as pork, shellfish, catfish, rats, mice, etc.), but I don't do it because I fancy myself a lawkeeper. I do it because shellfish give me headaches (theobromine in it), pork gives us gout and isn't a real healthy meat to eat when you have high blood pressure problems, rats and mice and the like are food for cats and not people (in most quarters). Prayer and thanksgiving clean what we eat and all creatures are okay to eat and none to be refused as long as they are cleansed with thanksgiving and prayer. As far as the Amish are concerned; I suppose all groups have their positives and some negatives. I'll never understand the logic behind "Rumspringa". Sometimes children who have been raised godly all their lives are sent out into the worst of the world, the very worst, and they are like babes in the woods, some not ever making their way back into a godly life. To me, that seems evil, perhaps done in ignorance, but evil nevertheless. I have learned I almost have to get to know people eye to eye on an individual basis to know what their character is like. Just seeing a guy wearing suspenders, black britches, blue shirt and straw hat in a field tells me very little. I remember when my husband and I toured through Pennsylvania, we stopped at an Amish store out in the sticks. I rounded the corner and an old Amish man was slumped down in his carriage seat smoking a cigarette. I was floored; guess it was my Southern Baptist influence. I suppose if he'd been smoking a corncob pipe I might not have been so startled. - Statistics also show that the Amish life is not always idyllic, they have their share of depression (sometimes worsened by hard standards they can't live up to), suicide and yes, even alcoholism. Wanda
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Post by kscarle on May 18, 2008 5:53:24 GMT -5
Paul warned us not to be a stumbling block to those who were saved but still weak in their following it. He just did not want us to become legalist and to depend on the law when we have liberty in Christ. I think the word vehent was a little harsh. Paul was willing to obey it around those who kept it in order to win them to Christ. If I am vehemently opposed against something then I will not do it.
Lester Roloff said once, that Jesus came to fulfill the ceremonial (sacrificial) laws, but that still leaves the dietary and the moral. I know we can eat what we want but I though it a good thing that he was able to keep it and he never even used so musch as an aspirin after he began to do that.
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Post by kscarle on May 18, 2008 5:57:13 GMT -5
Mitchell,
I do understand what you're saying though about the Amish and it is sad that from what I have been told they work to stay good, hoping to live sinless for salvation. Jesus is the way, being good aint never got it done. I do admire their simple lifestyles and their stand on separation, but then again I have not known them to be spreading the gospel.
Rumspringa does sound like a dangerous venture. Things can happen that may affect that young person for the rest of their lives. I did not even know what that was until I read your post and then I had to look it up on wipedia.
We do seem to look at the Amish in a different light and I would be surprised to see one smoking a cigarette. We see them as clean living and simple people. I have never (that I am aware of) seen a Mennonite smoke one. I do prefer the simple dress that myself and the Mennonite women wear as opposed to the Amish, and I read in a post that one of the ladies received a tract from a Mennonite. They are involved in missionary endeavors and that is helping to get the gospel out.
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Post by mitchell on May 18, 2008 11:25:30 GMT -5
I've never seen a Mennonite man (or woman) in the south smoking a cigarette either. The one I saw was sitting parked in the parking lot of a small Amish general store (not in a commercial tourist area), dressed in the full Amish style of clothing. This was in Pennsylvania where the usual Baptist teaching of "smoking is a sin" may not be prevalent. I understand that the production of home brew is not big down south among the Amish either, but is practiced up north. Not to denigrate them; I'm certainly not judging them - just noting that there seems to be some sort of magical thinking about the idyllic way of life among a lot of us about the Amish and Mennonite.
As to Lester Roloff's (whom I'm not too familiar with) take on the law - stating that only part of the law was done away with - if that is what he said - I beg to differ. As we all know, Paul was firm in the assertion that the law of "taste not - touch not" did nothing to bring salvation to the man - and the law of "taste not - touch not" were dietary and ceremonial, not sacrificial. - We all would do well to get solidly grounded in the book of Hebrews especially - not to occasion sin or excuse it, but to keep ourselves free of those who would seek to mislead us.
Wanda
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Post by kscarle on May 18, 2008 14:26:54 GMT -5
I do not want to misrepresent a dear man of God that was so greatly used by the Lord as Bro. Roloff, so let me correct what I misled. He does not condone the keeping of the law for salvation - that would be legalism. Your saved by grace through faith alone. But he lived using the Bible as his guide to living and I think that is a good way to be.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The Book of Hebrews is an excellent book, currently I am taking Daniel, Romans, Acts (1-12), and 1 Corinthians
I have never even seen an Amish person that I recall right off, but there are alot of Mennonite here as I have said before and I do like there dress. My DH does not like for me to wear buttons though so I make my dresses with zippers. I am considering the cape dress because he likes it, and it seems more modest. I have never seen a traditionally clothed Amish except in pictures. I have been to Pennsylvania, but it was in the city area and it as very briefly. I know it sure enough does get cold.
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Post by allglorytogod on May 18, 2008 21:01:50 GMT -5
' Rumspringa ' ... I read a little on this subject on the web ... one site said many children return to the Amish way of life ... I'm sure what they find out in the world is just too shocking ... on the other hand I read some stay separate from the Amish and don't want to return ... by the rumspringa they find out who is committed to the Amish way and who isn't ... If I were an Amish parent and my child decided to not come back home I would be devastated knowing what kind of life they had chosen ...
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Post by allglorytogod on May 18, 2008 21:18:03 GMT -5
I just thought of something very important ( very ) ... it should be noted that perhaps only a handful of the Amish people practice this Rumspringa ... there are many communities which have left the main body because of differing opinions ... some may be for Rumspringa and others may be totally opposed
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Post by allglorytogod on May 18, 2008 21:34:36 GMT -5
I think most would agree that you cannot tell much about anyone just by their manner of dress ... kind of goes without saying
Depression, suicide, alcoholism ... I think we all know they are ' human ' like the rest of us
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Post by allglorytogod on May 18, 2008 22:01:24 GMT -5
After a hard days work an old Amish man decides to relax with a cigarette ... why were you ' floored ? ' ... is a cigarette worse than what most Christians do ? ... they watch TV and fill their minds with sinful ' words ' and ' images ' ... Christians have the internet ... no telling what kinds of sinful sites they visit behind closed doors ... I could list a lot of things Christians do that the Amish probably would never dream of doing ...
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ... we would all do well to clean up our own backyards first before we go pointing our finger at someone else
Note: I reread this and thought I should explain I was trying to ' make a point ' and was not trying to condone ' smoking '
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Post by kscarle on May 18, 2008 22:21:13 GMT -5
Ma'am, not to be disrespectful, and I mean this in the most kind and charitable way, but sin is sin. I, for one, hold up certain people to a higher standard, as I am certain the Word of God does also. We all expect the Amish to be less influenced by the world. As a Christian, I believe that they are like this because worldlines is of the devil. When I see a man that has a cigarette in his mouth, I can't help but think, "That's killing him." it is a sin to smoke. It's also a sin to engage in gluttony, and we could go all day naming sins. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it would floor me too. I know that God desires His people to have a higher standard than the lost. God, help me by His grace that I can have a testimony to live up to His standards and not men's. In Christ and humble, Bro. Chuck
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