Anyone find sickness humbling?

[peopleofhispasture]

PS- I wasn't trying to be offensive or mean. I just tried to explain (my English is awful being over here lol) that I feel it's not a bad thing to smell perfume (I dont wear any).

Aromatherapy can even be just using scented candles because they smell good.

I had prayed to God and he showed me the verse about ointments and perfume, I wouldn't of jumped the gun and started it without prayer.

It's the same way we use herbal remedies instead of going to the doctor all the time. God gave us these healing plants.

I grew up around the Amish and aromatherapy, scalp massages, healing herbs are all part of their unworldly medicine.

Kat

[benshelpmeet]

Dear Katrina,

I know your motives are pure in using Aromatherapy, and doing Yoga for stretching purposes. I know yoga is new age and connects us with the spiritual world which is very real. God does not allow any involvement with the occult in any form.

I have alot to do today so I need a helper to find and '' post '' all the verses about witchcraft and the like... I have to get ready for the ice storm thats on it's way!

Here are a few great verses...

2 Ch 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

1Sam 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Disclaimer...This is a New Age site, you may not want to go there, I just posted it for those who would wonder where I got my facts.

www.experiencefestival.com/a/Aromatherapy/id/70523

Olfactory aromatherapy:Alternative Health Dictionary on Olfactory aromatherapy

olfactory aromatherapy: Direct or indirect inhalation of essential oils. Olfactory aromatherapy unlocks odor memories and encourages realignment of natural forces within the body.

I clicked on (Aromatherapy 2) and then on (Memories) and found this info...Medical Astrology

Medical Astrology: What is Medical Astrology? I

Medical Astrology presented by Ingrid Naiman, is a wholistic approach to Astrology that include not only the interpretation of an Astrology chart but also involves astroendocrinology, the effects of stress, the elements and provide remidies that promotes physical, psychological and spiritual wellbeing.

When I clicked on Memories 2 it gave me this blasphemy!

I need go no further, this is obvious...No christian should be involved with this practice the meaning and teachings behind Aromatherapy'' go deeper than I've searched...I've seen enough... The Lord gave me an uneasiness about involvement with ''Aromatherapy'' now I ''know'' why.

This is ''Witchcraft'' sister. ( This is real. )Renounce it ( the involvement with the practice and product.) It is interacting with demons. Demons do not always show themselves as menacing evil sometimes they just hang and cause wrong thinking and bring on feelings and emotions that are not of God, sickness can even result. Be ware these practices are of the Occult and Not of God! I care about you Katrina. I'm not upset with you and I surely do not think you are bad, I just think you have been deceived into believing they are good and ok when in reality they are a doorway into the spirit world, ''Many'' christians are deceived by it.

Yoga exposed...Yoga Philosophy

Yoga Philosophy: Yoga Philosophy and the Patanjali Yoga Sutras

Yoga Philosophy explained thru the Patanjali Yoga Sutras. The roots of Yoga can be traced back roughly 5,000 years to the Indus Valley civilization, where seals depicting people performing asanas (yoga postures) were used in trade along the river. The word Yoga comes from the Sanskrit word ("Yuj" meaning to yoke, ) join or unite. It is the union of all aspects of an individual: body, mind and soul. Hence, ( Yoga reunites all opposites ) - mind and body, stillness and movement, masculine and feminine, sun and moon - in order to bring reconciliation between them. Yoga is one of the six branches in Indian philosophy and is referred to throughout the Vedas – ( the ancient scriptures ) of India. There is a legend that says that the knowledge of Yoga was first offered by Lord Shiva to his wife Parvati and then passed on to the world.

This is all I need to read...

quote:( Yoga reunites all opposites ) - mind and body, stillness and movement, masculine and feminine, sun and moon - in order to bring reconciliation between them. here is oneChristianity with Occult

("Yuj" meaning to yoke, ) Christians are to yoke with the spirit of God not Demons.

Here is a good article by a christian!

www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/yoga.htm

, Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. , 2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? , 1 Thess 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

God would not have his dear children involved with things of darkness, witchcraft, the ocult...etc.

Please know that I love you and I think you are a sweet and profitable sister.

Love your friend and sister, ~ Darlene ~

The Amish and Mennonites ( not as a whole ) have all kind of improper practices. Reflexology is one of the main one that comes to mind. They have alot of good but they often mix light with darkness, before anyone jumps on those unsaved wicked ole Amish and Mennonites I have to say I know quite a few Ind. Fund. Baptist that mix light with darkness and even do these occultic practices. Once at a right wing Ind. Fund. Baptist ladies retreat while in bible collage an Evangelist wife told my friend and I about her studies in Reflexology and that she was learning to be a Chyropractor. Well my neck was out and my back hurt and she said she would adjust my neck, but to make sure not to touch her because the electric field would shock her and fling her across the room. That sounded kooky to me, she was already working on my neck so I did not budge a might. I renounced any involvement with her occultic practices. That was at a ladies retreat! Christians justify their evil practices they call evil good....


P.S. We believe that God is the Master Physician, We go to Him first in prayer. Doctors are helpful when really needed. Doctors have gotten out of hand. I know tons of people and situations where Doctors are guinnie pigging people and causing them to have to take all kinds of medications and go through all kind of tests and one medicine will cause a problem then the Doctor prescribes another medicine to take care of the problem caused by taking some other medicine. I have also been a victim of this guinie pigging, it almost caused my death. ( And I had a real health problem the doctors were trying to help.) Medicines were derived originally by herbs, roots and other natural sources, now days they are synthetic (man made ) We take garlic, Vit C, E Etc, and Echinacea, Goldenseal, etc Ben takes fish oil when he rembers... it has Omega 3 fatty acids and is very good for your joints... There are Vitimans, minerals, and all natural not New Age herbs, that help the body have the nutreance and properties for healing it's self. We as christians need to eat healthy and pace ourselves ( don't over do it ) and first and foremost trust in the Living God who can heal all our desieses. Doctors are only needed for major problems and even then we need to pray hard for a good, honest Doctor who ''really'' cares for the patients well being.

[nightingale]

Aromatherapy...I had to as a nursing student sit in class and listen to a aromatherapist explain her "craft"...let me put it this way...I thought she was dingy and if these aromas really do what she professed they would do then she and anyone that meddles with them are dealing with the occult Very weird and scary
I also had to go to a Catholic Monastery to visit with the retired nuns as a non profit nursing facility activity...they used aromatherapy and I found it smelly and offensive...they also had a business of selling it...maybe I am wrong...but all I can say is the day I had to sit and listen to that aromatherapist it was like getting a lesson in magic potions...Love ya all...Debbie

[Andrea]

Sister Darlene,
here is an article about "new age" medicines. I love this website in whole as these people come directly from the Word of God .. no ifs, ands, or buts.. I love that.. ;D Hope this may help with research into what God approves of and doesn't approve of..

www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/newmed.htm

[George]

It's the same way we use herbal remedies instead of going to the doctor all the time.

I am sorry, but I must point out that dabbling in the occult and herbal remedies are in no way even remotely connected.

Herbal remedies are USUALLY naturally occuring plant materials or derivatives of plant materials which are designed to aid the body's natural healing abilities.

Aromatherapy "perfumes" or whatever one chooses to call them are man made things which have a design of accomplishing things they cannot do in the first place and as I and other have pointed out, are occult, new age and other untoward things. It is something we ought not be playing with at all.

As to the statement about herbal remedies and doctors I disagree somewhat with that one also. In the first place, God has provided us with physicians. As I stated previously, Luke was referred to as the beloved physician. Believe me if we were not to use physicians but rely on any other means God would not have llowed the beloved physician statement to be put into His Bible.

If herbal rememdies were all that good we would not need doctors at all. Further one must be careful at what one uses for herbal remedies. Some of them also have their roots in place we ought not go.

There are a lot of "natural" remedies out there which have their origins in the occult or other unsavory practices. My goodness, a lot of the things folks can buy in the "heatlh food" store today have their origins in buddhism, hinduism, daoism, shinto and things like that.

Don't take my word for it though, do some research on it. Use the internet to advantage. The infomation is there and available.

Yours in Christ,
George

[Brother Ben]

I am sorry, but I must point out that dabbling in the occult and herbal remedies are in no way even remotely connected.

Herbal remedies are USUALLY naturally occuring plant materials or derivatives of plant materials which are designed to aid the body's natural healing abilities.

I must reply that there is a godly balance in both of these philosophies. The above quote is very accurate. However, without discernement, one can find himself in the occult medicane realm without realizing it. Careful use of herbs, minerals, and vitamins can be advantageous. Likewise, when necessary, there are times when there is no other option to seeking physicians assistance.

Our first line of defense is always the Lord. There is a lesson to be learned from this sad chapter in history:

2Ch 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.

In this case, God had something else in mind, but Asa never found it because of his reliance upon physicians.

I believe the medicine Luke the "beloved physician" practiced would have been different from todays medical practices. First of all, I believe he would have sought the Lord, and secondly used a more simple medicine that we use today. Synthetic pharmacuticals are almost scandelous. Talking to an EMT, just yesterday, he told me modern medicine is geared toward relieving the symptoms. Pharmacutical companies make their money when people are sick and in pain. Fortunately their a physicians who know the medical world and their patients healing is their interest and desire.

An interesting point can be made in this word study.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The word sorcerer is taken from the same place we get the word, phamacuticals,

Strong's Concordance
G5332
φαρμακεύς
pharmakeus
far-mak-yoos'
From φάρμακον pharmakon (a drug, that is, spell giving potion); a druggist (“pharmacist”) or poisoner, that is, (by extension) a magician: - sorcerer.

The uncareful and improper use of ANY medication can be dragged into the realm of pharmkeus whether it is synthetic as perscribed by a physician, or God's natural herbs as they occur in nature (not from a homeopathic source.) Satan is master at taking that which God has created and twisting it into a wicked trick to bring harm.

So I guess what I am trying to say is praise God for natural remedies that aren't hokey or mystic, and praise God for men commited to the medical field who truely educate themselves for the healing and wellness of their patients. I believe this can be balanced before the Lord.

[George]

I must reply that there is a godly balance in both of these philosophies.

I must ask in which two philosophies, brother Ben?

Your post is correct. However I did not address the pharmaceutical industry in my original. There are many good and life saving things which have come out of the pharmaceutical industry. By the same token we have a whole generation that is being brought up unnecessarily addicted to prescription anti-depressants.We also have a whole generation of people being brought up to believe they suffer from a type of gastro-intestinal ailment that requires they take a little purple pill everyday.

The pharmaceutical industry is a whole different story. There have also been a number of things in recent years that have had to be banned from sale in the "supplement" market because of disastrous effects on people's health including many deaths.

As you said, the key is a balance and that balance must be sought through God.

Yours in Christ,
George

[Brother Ben]

I must ask in which two philosophies, brother Ben?

Careful and guided use of herbs as they occur in natural use, and sythetic pharacuticals.

There is a difference between homeopathy, holistic, and naturalopathy, and just a good, ground up vegetrate based vitamin C. Copy?

Likewise, there is a difference between being on the careful use of some meds because of illnesses and those who "run" to the doc everytime they get a runny nose to bombard their system with antibiotics, thus breaking down their immune system.

In the natural remedy area, there are indeed, some kooky stuff and quackery. A little discernment and contact with those who educate themselves in this area will guide one clear of the "stuff."

I believe the diet wonder Phenfen was one of those herbal disasters wasn't it? A diet plan that can't be beat is...eat right, amen?!

In fact, eating right can cure ALOT of what ails us. Coffee and donuts are yummy, but far from the stuff that is good for us. Empty nutrients full of fatty yuck that clogs our intestines, thus causing us to not be able to absorb the nutrients we need to maintain health. Viva, la vegetables!

Bro. Ben