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Post by Brother Ben on Dec 15, 2005 13:19:24 GMT -5
I was just curious so I though I'd throw this in there. This poll does not reveal the identity of the voter. I don't think you'd care anyways, but I don't want anyone to feel reluctant to vote their conscience.
Bro. Ben
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Post by pastorsmate on Dec 15, 2005 18:03:08 GMT -5
Not Ashamed here, I am very Bold with the fact that I use only KJV, everything, if the ecards are another version I will not use them, If Christmas cards or Birthday cards are not KJV I will NOT buy them, I stick to the word, and I am sure it is the only truly inspired word of God, My husband has a KJV 1611 too and I love it, the u and v ared different than in our times today but you can feel the Holy Spirit from it when you open it.
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Post by sojourner on Dec 16, 2005 10:33:14 GMT -5
I have about 9 hours of study in Greek between college and seminary and 15 in Hebrew, so i also try to refer to those texts as much as possible during my studies to keep myself fresh in what i have learned...and will also compare those translations to the KJV as well as certain modern translations also. It can be a little time consuming, but it does help in my teaching. I will rarely do this for my personal devotional time though, i ask God to speak to me directly from the text that i'm reading.
in HIS grip bro bobby
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Post by manasseh on Dec 18, 2005 17:18:07 GMT -5
The Spirit of God reveals His Absolute authority in the King James Bible as being the perfectly preserved Word of God. Faith, and sensitivity to the Spirit of God, will affirm when you are reading the King James Authorized Version that it is indeed God's Word without error. Here is a webpage of a work done on this subject, but definately not exhaustive on the subject matter. For me, however, all the work done to "prove" the King James is the only English speaking Word of God is secondary to the Spirit showing me it is the Word of God by faith and His Spirit. www.av1611.org/jmelton/knowkjv.html
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Post by bereanman on Dec 20, 2005 9:44:15 GMT -5
The Holy Bible, aka AV 1611, KJV, KJB.
If it's not a KJB, it's not a Bible.
Nuf said ;D
Br. Tony
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Post by sojourner on Dec 20, 2005 17:13:59 GMT -5
With all due respect Manasseh, i do have one point of contention with that article. It said (my paraphrase) that modern translations of scripture only produce "evil" fruit. I was saved as a result of reading through the Gospels in an NIV Bible...later on i found out that it was no where near a good translation and i have since stopped using it except for the occassional cross reference.
If the author is correct (about the bad fruit) then my salvation must be false, right?
Nothing against you or this author, but i do have problems with blanket statements such as that.
just my 2 cents.
in HIS grip bobby
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Post by Brother Ben on Dec 22, 2005 8:55:40 GMT -5
Bobby, I have read alot of Mr. Melton's articles. Some are really good, and some are...well, you catch my drift. Web links are not altogether reliable. We are thankful for the meat, and we push aside the bones. I was saved in a SBC church and lead to the Lord with a NASV. I was given a new NIV as a "new believer" gift. It wasn't until I got into a church that had done some research and took a stand that I switched over to a KJV. I have heard some say, if you didn't get saved out of a KJV, you didn't get saved. This is the type of excess that is hurtful the the KJV only crowd of which I am proudly one of. However, it is obedience to the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a man that is first and foremost. I beleive that translations taken from poor mss. can be detrimental to study because the skeptic nature of the translators shows up in their notes and choices of words. For example: I have this good friend who insists on using a NKJV. I have shown him some of the problems I have with it, but he refuses to give it up. He was raised in a church that only used the KJV, and is well grounded in the word, however, what will be the effect on his children when they are finding their way and reading the footnote, 'This verse not found in the oldest manuscripts.' There have been enough studies to float a ship on translation problems with the new versions, but disobedience to KJV verses will not hold up to someone elses obedience to NIV verses. Now don't misread me...I am KJV only, but God clearly states, "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. " James 1:22 May God, in His patients, mercy, and goodness, help me to be faithful and obedient to His word, and kind to the brethren. I have posted some pretty strong things on this board, and I want to post publicly, that I am a sinner saved by grace, and my greatest need to is to follow Chirst, I don't have all the answers, and I want to love like Christ loved. God's rich blessings to ya'll (a little southern vernacular.) Ben
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Post by Brother Randy on Dec 22, 2005 9:58:07 GMT -5
First off let me say that I use only the King James always have. That said I thik we need to be care in not holding up the KJV as the Holy Grail , lets not worship it, but God himself. I do believe that God has preserved His word down though the ages, even though men have tried to corrupt it,{ Wescot , Hort, RSV, new greek translation} I have read and study on this for years. A good book is by David Otis Fuller think they are out of print now. I will not go so far as to say that there never can be another faithful translation done, but I doubt if there will ever be one. I have seen all to much over the years the problems that come when not using the King James . It has greatly affected our youth in there right knowlege of God's word. How many of you can remember when you had sword drills in sunny school , youth group?? Do churches even have such a thing today? So I will continue to use KIng James until I see Jesus. My 2 cents for what it is worth ,Maybe my 2 cents is to much Bro Randy
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Post by sojourner on Dec 22, 2005 10:57:25 GMT -5
Bro Ben,
You made a great point that we probably all need to remember, and i know that often i forget about it also...we are all sinners and we are saved only by God's grace.
God has so freely offered His grace to us, and i know too often i tend not to offer it to others. I know that this is a different topic probably for a different thread...but i just wanted to throw that in while it was fresh on mind.
Like the old hymn says: "Grace, grace, God’s grace, Grace that will pardon and cleanse within; Grace, grace, God’s grace, Grace that is greater than all our sin."
bdd
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Post by bereanman on Dec 22, 2005 15:32:20 GMT -5
I don't know if too much can be said about the KJB. Although I don't worship it, man I sure do love it! It is the only way God speaks to me with words, it gives me comfort when I'm down, it makes me tingle when I finally understand a verse, and it's like music to my ears when my wife reads it to me.
I have never gotten that from any other translation. But thanks be to God, His Spirit guided me to the KJB shortly after I was saved and so He spared me a lot of confusion.
I don't really know how to explain to others that the KJB is the word of God in English, I just know it is. Kind of like I don't really know how to explain that Jesus lives, He just does.
The closest I've ever come to proving the KJB is it is to point out the (general) character of the believers who stick to it. They generally have the highest standards, are the most sound in doctrine, and are the ones who most stay in the "old paths."
My two cents into the jar,
Br. Tony
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Post by pastorsmate on Dec 22, 2005 19:36:28 GMT -5
I do believe the Holy Spirit is missing from the other versions, you can feel God's reach with the KJV the others are like just reading the news paper, no real affect to the soul and spirit.
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Post by Brother Randy on Jan 4, 2006 0:15:01 GMT -5
www.deanburgonsociety.org/ This site has some very good information on the KJB. Dean Burgon was a champion for the KJB . He spent alot of time defending our KJB. Bro Randy
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Post by wondering on Jan 7, 2006 17:19:11 GMT -5
I am KJV only. It took many years for me to get there. When I was eighteen I did some research on it coz I was sick of hearing all the arguments for and against. I did the researchy to try to prove that I could use modern versions and that the KJV only crowd needed to be quiet, but saw in my research some new things and became KJV only myself. My family don't like my KJV only stand they still try to convince me to use modern versions. Unfortunately I have verses that I memorized out of other versions and it is REALLY hard to try to relearn them in the KJV.
Katy-Anne
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Post by freebygodsgift on Jan 7, 2006 19:31:12 GMT -5
Katy-Anne, I know exactly what you mean about memorizing verses in modern versions. I was saved in 1978 and used the new american standard until about 4 years ago. So there are many verses I have had to relearn and it is a struggle sometimes - many times. But God is good and keeps replacing the proper words. My daughter tells me I need to be careful about some things I quote because I still tend to do it incorrectly. At least my daughters have been able to be trained early on in the KJV. Frances
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Post by moses on Aug 2, 2006 23:28:19 GMT -5
I only use the KJV, but I don't generally call myself KJV-only because of the general association of that term with people like Peter Ruckman. It looks like Randy and Ben at least would not be in agreement with him, which I glad to see. I'd be fairly close to the position of David Cloud, and the Dean Burgon Society from what I can tell. I generally say I'm TR/Majority Text. In study I will at times refer to the greek, hebrew, and a couple of TR based non-dynamic equivalency (which I believe is as bad a problem as the corrupt critical text) translations. Overall though, I believe the KJV is the best translation.
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