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Post by divash on Dec 4, 2007 10:04:00 GMT -5
I'm confused. So, if getting a shot is legally mandatory, that's bad because the government's got no business dictating what you do with your body or your minor child's body, but if avoiding abortion is legally mandatory, that's good because the government should be able to tell you what NOT to do with your body.
Please don't read this as a confrontation. I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm just trying to find the deeper-down issue that will unite these two (apparently) conflicting principles so that they go together better than they seem to do, on the surface.
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Post by kscarle on Dec 4, 2007 11:51:51 GMT -5
there's a big difference between legalizing the murder of children and promoting promiscuity.
It would be something though if the government actually used some of that funding to promote modesty and chastity. When I was young we didn't see all the flesh exposed in magazines. they are now located new the candy counter at the register and many actually use words like sex, and have bikini shots on then.. we turn them around when we notice this so children won't see it, but there would be less sexually transmitted diseases if there would be less promtion of it.
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Post by benshelpmeet on Dec 4, 2007 16:10:26 GMT -5
I totally agree with Kristie! Good post.
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Post by coveredinharmony on Dec 4, 2007 16:45:14 GMT -5
The problem I have with this vaccine is that it's not deeply researched. There's not a lot of study on what a vaccine that targets the developing organs of a prepubescent girl will have on her reproductive capabilities--or chance of miscarriage or worse--later on. I personally really fear the concept of changing my hormones because of a vaccination. I have very little chance of contracting HPV--it's an STD after all! I don't want any risk of miscarriage or birth deformities because of an unneccessary vaccine.
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Post by Brother Ben on Dec 6, 2007 8:58:17 GMT -5
What we have here is ANOTHER case of sin raging in society, people will not control themselves, and thus the government feels it is THEIR responsibility to MAKE people have, in this case, a shot to cover for HPV.
We as believers that desire to actually practice the principles of our faith feel the government has no right to dictiate to us what we should shoot into the healthy, clean, bodies of our children. We have injected them with the doctrine of God and good sense. The world has injected their children with the teachings of this world and it's values. THEY need a shot. We don't.
Furthermore, on a polictcal aspect, this is socialization. Another step in the government intruding into the sanctity of the home. Socialism didn't work in the Soviet Union, and it doesn't work in China. America, with it's socialist political liberals, is trying to put a new face on that failed politcal theory and serve it up any way they can, including medicane. This is the root philosphy behind government sponsered health care. That is why the Democrats want to get ALL of America on it. Then they will CONTROL the entire population in yet another area.
Conservative (bible based) values work contrary to BIG government because we promote personal responsibility, they promote government control.
Bro. Ben
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Post by wife on Dec 6, 2007 14:01:34 GMT -5
No vaccines are really "mandatory." But all you do is give it to the school nurse, and they are exempt. Thanks be to God that my oldest two graduated last year, and I took my 8-year-old out of public school this year. I am sure one day they will remove the exemptions. In Christ, Traci Actually it used to be mandatory, but the federal govt. got sued by parents whos children died or were permanently harmed by vaccines in the past. THerefore, the govt. has made it not mandatory- as in they would have to take legal responsibilty if something were to happen to your child on account of the shots. They didn't want to be held responsible. However, they also don't let that out really as public knowledge that not school can make you have shots. Most teachers school admin and such have no clue that it's not mandatory. And of those who DO know, they put such pressure on parents that it's difficult not to. We have homeschooled for 6 years now and our children have not had any immunizations in that time, thought they had them before we knew better. Our 12 year old was "supposed" to get the HPV shot at her last check up. The nurse practitioner who saw us was irate over me declining immunizations for her, but i know I am within my rights as an American, and also as a parent who is to protect my children. And that's not just my right, but a command from the Lord that I should raise my children for Him.
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Post by coveredinharmony on Dec 7, 2007 19:07:41 GMT -5
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Post by Tammy on Dec 8, 2007 23:56:04 GMT -5
We, too, choose not to vaccinate our children. We would rather take the chance of having to deal with measles, for instance, than take the risks involved with the injection itself.
This may become a battle for us here in Guatemala. A couple days ago, Daniel went to report our home birth to the municipal authority in order to obtain Joel's birth certificate. He went through the whole process, and the agent who handed him the documents suddenly asked him if he had proof of the baby's vaccinations. Daniel told her we do not vaccinate infants, to which she replied that the policies had changed, and in order to inscribe the child and obtain certificate of birth, proof of vaccinations must be presented. Fortunately, she had already handed him the documents, so he just said thanks, and left!
We will have to check into it more, to see if it is really required per se, or if it's just really being pushed, as in the U.S. public school system.
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Post by Tammy on Dec 9, 2007 0:14:59 GMT -5
Divash, do not be deceived by feminists' philosophy. In the vaccine situation, it is indeed your body, your decision (at least it should be). However, in the abortion situation, it is NOT just your body/your life, but there is another person involved: the life of an unborn child is at stake.
Laws are set up so that we enjoy certain rights and liberties, but not at the expense of another's rights and liberties. (By law I cannot murder someone who annoys me, just so I can feel better. That would infringe their right to live. Hence, murder is against the law.)
Unfortunately, the laws on the books in the U.S. to date allow for the murder of an unborn child, if the mother decides to do it. The law in the Old Testament of the Bible treated the unborn child as an individual, and if a woman lost her unborn baby as a result of violence, that act was punished the same way as manslaughter committed against a grown man.
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Post by coveredinharmony on Jan 14, 2008 22:23:59 GMT -5
Oh, brethren, I'm a little frustrated. My sister went into the doctor today with my mother and got the HPV vaccine. Now my mother is pressuring me to get it. I told her that I don't feel comfortable with a vaccine that is not deeply researched, and beside that I don't need a vaccine for an STD. Jay and I are both virgins, and there is no history of HPV or cervical cancer in either of our families. Unless God forbid something awful happens, I cannot get HPV. I also don't want the risk of miscarriages in the future, something the vaccine has been tentatively linked to. Brethren, I am in need of prayer. I do not want to disobey my mother (my father said it's OK that I not get it) and I do not want to upset her, but I can't get the vaccine. Any advice would be great too. Thanks Love in Christ, Sarah
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Post by kscarle on Jan 15, 2008 0:14:16 GMT -5
The man (your dad) is the head of the household and he says it is your decision.
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Post by Brother Ben on Jan 15, 2008 8:28:06 GMT -5
Sarah, Use this as an opportunity to testify between the difference of those who are a part of the world's system and need the shot (sadly, compromising Christianity, too,) and you and Jay. Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, but with a love and reverencial respect for your mom. I would be resolute and NOT do it.
Bro. Ben
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