Mosque At Ground Zero?

[Brother Ben]

Mosque at ground zero? Wake up America!

Here is a link to a site with alot of stuff about the issue.

Urban Infidel: Mosque At Ground Zero

Again, I want to state, it is not my desire to insight hate. There are people in this religion (Islam,) God is going to save. It is for their sakes I ask us to hate this act of stupidity (buiding a mosque on ground zero,) and love the deceived people of Islam for Jesus' sake.

Ben

[kjvsteve]

Interesting to read the sign in one of the pictures at that link;

'Mosques in NYC = 200+ / Synagogues, Churches in Mecca = 0'.

Here in England, we keep getting told how we must build more and more mosques because 'we must be tolerant' and we are 'multicultural', and anybody who says a word against it is automatically branded 'racist'.

In about 10 days time there is some type of protest in my city, against the spread of radical islam.
Everybody is busy writing letters and signing petitions to stop the protest and defend islam.

I fully expect a return of the 2001 riots...

[kjvsteve]

Well how about that; only a few hours after my last post, my city turns up in the national news:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1304139/English-Defence-League-march-banned-say-police-chiefs.html

[Brother Ben]

Some after thoughts.

In its early days, Islam was a different religion, being smaller and having less influence. There truely was a tone of a "religion of peace" in the writings of Mohammed. He said things like, "The Bible is a reliable testimony," "Isa,(Jesus,) was a great prophet," and "Christians were friends to those in Islam." However, as Islam grew and became more powerful, the writings changed after the conquest of Medina. The tone changed from a "religion of peace," to "Jihad!"

The post-Medina prophecies not only speak of the conquest of the infidels, world-wide, but that Muslims can lie, cheat, steal, and kill for the glory of Allah. So, are all Muslims lying killers? Absolutely not, but the problem is that you cannot trust their testimony because of the writings of Mohammed. How do you know who is who and which one is deceiving you or not? A dear brother who was a missionary in Indonesia told me of the criminal behaviour of those who were spreading the policies of intolerance against ANYONE who would not "submit" (what the word Islam means.)

Those of the more tolerant and "liberal" forms of Islam will simply be put to death with the infidels in the event of the conquest of any land. If you think this is not so, look at the Shiite extermination of the Sunnis. Look and Sadams extermination of the Kurds. These people have no "peace" and have no allegiance to peace, tolerance, or brotherly kindness. I have a Kurdish friend from Northern Iran and he left and came to America because he was tired of the intolerance and hatred toward he and his people by his "Muslim brothers," in Iran.

Just because they are calling this place and "Islamic Center" with basketball courts, do not be mistaken. The Cordova Initiative is like saying to a Texan, "Remember the Alamo!" Our Western savvy and political correctness has made us a VERY naive people. We DO NOT KNOW the depths of darkness made possible by Islam and Sharia law, and the American intolerance of Biblical Christianity grows more and more evident each day. America MUST wake up, before it is too late.

I HIGHLY recommend reading the testimony of Mark Gabriel, his pen name, at the following site:

www.arabicbible.com/testimonies/gabriel.htmEarnestly contending for truth,

Ben

[George]

Thank you Brother Ben. What is going on with Islam in the world is really rather frightening. No one seems to want to step in and control it either because it would violate someone's freedom of religion. However their religion IS one of lies, deceit and murder. Just as I believe anyone who believes and practices the ways of the Roman Catholic Church is doomed for hell I believe in guilt by association of the Muslims. My word, just the other day I read an article that stated some Muslim groups in the mid-West, I think it may have been in Indiana, are forming para-military groups within their mosques so they can "deal with" the infidels. I believe we face a much larger and more frightening threat from the Muslims than we do the rogue state of Iran even considering Iran is nuclear capable. The Muslims are very adept at using our own laws against us. The very same laws that stifle Christianity so powerfully allow for the out of control growth of Islam and their form of terrorism.

In Christ,
George

[rachel]

I heard that in New York or somewhere, when it comes time for the Muslims to pray at noon, they're allowed to just stop and pray in the middle of the road, even holding up traffic... that's just insane to me (unless they're actually planning on commiting suicide rather than praying). Shouldn't they at least have to get on the footpath or make sure they're at home during that time? Maybe the stories got blown way out of proportion by the time they reached Australia, but I couldn't believe this when I heard, it just sounds so stupid. I't seems amazing that they would be even allowed to do that!!

[Brother Ben]

Enclosed is an email from a conversation with a relative outside the family. Below is my response.

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I am only going to reply to this once, and I hope I don't offend anybody. First, claiming an entire religion to be evil based on the acts of a few men is dangerous. Some Muslims are fundamentalists and terrorists. So are some Christians. Just one example... The KKK is an organization of "good" christian men that burns cross and lynches people. Should I assume all good Christians hold their beliefs?
The idea that it's insensitive to build a Mosque near the hallowed ground of the ground zero site makes no sense, given that there are no less than two strip clubs in site of the construction.
And my final argument, freedom of religion meant freedom for ALL religions. To say otherwise, to deny them the right to worship where and how they please, strikes a bigger blow at our history, tradition and constitution than any two planes.

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Dear ___________,

I wanted to answer some of the remarks you made in your letter.

Some Muslims are fundamentalists and terrorists. So are some Christians

Fundamentalist Muslims cut your head off, fundamentalist Christians preach against worldly living, but leave it up to you. BIG difference.

The KKK is an organization of "good" christian men that burns cross and lynches people. Should I assume all good Christians hold their beliefs?

Good Christian men would not do such a thing, neither are they instructed to in the Bible. The Qur'an on the other hand says:

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
Qur’an 9:5

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust." Qur’an 5:51

"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".Qur'an (3:151)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" Qur'an (5:33)

"And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" Qur'an (8:39)

"Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..." Qur'an (9:14)

Qur'an (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

That last verse is a lie. They kill those who are not in their sect. I may disagree with the Methodists, or Presbyterians, but I am not going to kill them.

Shall I go on? There 109 verses clearly promoting violence, death, and Jihad.

What does the Bible tell the Christian to do, whether his is liberal or fundamentalist?

Mat 5:43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and [to] the evil.
Luke 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

what about the Apostle Paul, what did he tell the New Testament church (good Christians,) to do?

Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

Romans 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

There is no comparison. If a Christian chooses to kill in the "name of God," he does so WITHOUT SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT. However, if a Muslim chooses to kill in the "name of Allah," he has the Qur'an behind him. Why do you think the radical Muslims do what they do? It is because they are literalists, that's all they are, they believe their book, and practice it.

The idea that it's insensitive to build a Mosque near the hallowed ground of the ground zero site makes no sense, given that there are no less than two strip clubs in site of the construction.

They were already there. As much as I detest this type of lewdness, they, these people, have not commited themselves to death to the infidels.

And my final argument, freedom of religion meant freedom for ALL religions. To say otherwise, to deny them the right to worship where and how they please, strikes a bigger blow at our history, tradition and constitution than any two planes.

Their freedom to worship where and how they please is to be subjected to the same government and societal restriction all other religions whould be subject to. Remember, the 9-11 hijackers did what they did as an act of worship to Allah, is all worship protected by the Constitution? Not that kind.

My dear one, you are mistaken. I love you and respect your opinioin, but it not based on truth, but on the slant of the liberal media. You must look outside of the current system for REAL truth. Jesus said:

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

It is my prayer that you will seriously consider what I've shared with you.

In Christian love,
Ben

[Brother Ben]

Of course, we, as Americans can ignore this topic and hope it goes away...maybe. But, then, if it doesn't EVERY woman will have a new head covering...



Ask the brethren in England and Germany how fast the Islamification of their countries is going. You'd be shocked.

[Brother Ben]

I would like to post a P.S. to my comments on this proposed "Islamic Center." Constitutionally, we in America have the freedom of assembly. This is for ALL religious groups, AS LONG AS, they conduct themselves in a way that does not violate the rights of others, or regulations that have been set forth by community leaders for the good of the community, i.e., some neighborhoods don't allow house churches because of parking issues. This does not mean that house church cannot meet, they just need to do it in a place that is MORE CONDUSIVE for those around them.

Cordova House, the name for the proposed "Islamic Center," is being proposed in a place that is HIGHLY offensive to the majority of America and is very insensitive. It does not matter if there is another mosque down the road, or if they want to build this building too, the fact that it is such a huge center, 13 stories, and is a "stones throw" from the place where Muslim extremists killed thousands of our citizens, probably some of them Muslim, too.

So why Cordova House? Check the history. Cordova, Spain is the place where Muslim raiders came in, conquored the people, and turned a huge Catholic church into a Mosque as a sign of conquest. It was eventually returned to Catholicism, but the lesson from history remains.

Wake up! America!

[Brother John]

I received the following in an email this morning:

"This is the most clearly stated, sensible, and historically accurate
statement that I’ve read on this issue.

Statement on the Proposed “Cordoba House” Mosque near Ground Zero

Newt Gingrich

July 21, 2010 6pm

There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia . The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over. The proposed "Cordoba House" overlooking the World Trade Center site where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity, passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example, most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a deliberately insulting term. It refers to Cordoba , Spain – the capital of Muslim conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards by transforming a church there into the world’s third-largest mosque
complex. Today, some of the Mosque’s backers insist this term is being used to "symbolize interfaith cooperation" when, in fact, every Islamist in the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is asign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way. Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for "religious toleration" are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more than 100 mosques already exist in New York City . Meanwhile, there are no
churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia . In fact no Christian or Jew can even enter Mecca . And they lecture us about tolerance. If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead such a campaign. We
have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years. Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million mega mosque will be built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating surprise attack in American history. Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba House refuse to reveal all their funding sources. America
is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed
to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of our
elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could. No mosque. No self deception."

Also, as some of the brethren on on this forum may already be aware, there is a Muslim terrorist organization that has about 35 or so training camps in the United States right now! These are just the ones we are aware of. Here are just a few links on that:

www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48868

www.jihadwatch.org/2009/03/where-have-the-jihadis-gone-return-to-islamberg.html

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEmzvAVacLU

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8_82YGXJe0&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr8FexoNO1M&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATbhco5k76w&feature=related

[Brother Ben]

One of those camps is located approx. 85 miles from where I work. It is located outside of the rural Tennessee town of Dover.

[Brother John]

Excellent article on the "mosque" in NYC. I believe the author is a Muslim himself.

www.nypost.com/p/news/local/islam_center_eerie_echo_of_ancient_iRTMW6TprkULnaA1Nqi9xM

With all that's going on in the US regarding the millions of illegal aliens pouring in, the multiculturalization of the country, the Islamic threat and so on....I can't help but to keep going back to Isaiah 1:7:

Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

The description of rebellious Israel in that chapter describes America today. Strangers taking over the land was part of the judgment on her, and I believe upon us as well.

John