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Post by robinva on Mar 1, 2005 7:39:51 GMT -5
We have friends who have attended a Charity church for about 2 years. They gave us tapes from a conference and although it was not stated I got the impression they believe in a partial rapture. I went to their website but there was nothing indicating this position in the statement of faith. What other doctrinal differences are there that I would want to be aware of?
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Post by hszoo on Mar 1, 2005 12:40:23 GMT -5
Ok. I'm a dolt. What is partial rapture?
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Post by Brother Ben on Mar 1, 2005 13:13:57 GMT -5
There are people who believe that the disobedient Christians will miss the rapture in order to pay for their sin. Also. There are those who believe that some Christians will go to Hell temporarily at the rapture becuase of their disobedience. Both of these doctrines are based on "works salvation." If you have to earn it, then you are liable for it. If, however, salvation is a work of grace, then the responsibility goes to the account of the testator (Christ.) If the grace and salvation of Christ is not capable of effectively changing you, then it isn't good enough to save you either.
There is no "official" stand on escatology (the doctrine of end times) among the Charity churches. There is a strong amillinial stand because of their Mennonite/Amish background.
I have also seen some notable imbalance on the doctrine of Christ and His humanity. They put too much emphasis on His humanity like He could have opted out of the redemption plan in the garden. Error. I'm sure they don't all believe this though.
Bro. Ben
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Post by hszoo on Mar 1, 2005 13:19:58 GMT -5
There are people who believe that the disobedient Christians will miss the rapture in order to pay for their sin. Also. There are those who believe that some Christians will go to Hell temporarily at the rapture becuase of their disobedience. Both of these doctrines are based on "works salvation." If you have to earn it, then you are liable for it. If, however, salvation is a work of grace, then the responsibility goes to the account of the testator (Christ.) If the grace and salvation of Christ is not capable of effectively changing you, then it isn't good enough to save you either. Bro. Ben Ok. I understand that part then. So, where do they find Scriptural basis for this? I know a lot of folks who believe their works can send them to hell for eternity even after salvation, but at the same time salvation is not of works. I always ask them if the Holy Spirit came with salvation and they say yes. So then I ask will God send His Spirit to hell? Generally, I don't get an answer to that. They usually revert back to the falling-from-grace card to back up their point, but I never get a firm answer about other things such as Jesus saying no man can take us from the Father's hand, that He gives us eternal (not temporary) life, that the Holy Spirit is given at salvation and not taken away, etc. |
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Post by Brother Ben on Mar 1, 2005 17:57:33 GMT -5
Ann said
And what is sad, when interpreted contextually, falling from grace is not losing ones salvation, but failing to continue to preach that salvation is by grace and not by works. Paul was warning them of legalism and wrong emphasis on law keeping. Error begets error.
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Post by sticktotheoldway on Aug 2, 2005 2:05:58 GMT -5
I have heard of some people teaching that Jesus might of lusted after women! I understand Jesus was human but he was tempted in all points like us [glow=red,2,300]yet without sin![/glow] To say that Jesus might have lusted is dangerous, REAL dangerous!
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Post by sticktotheoldway on Aug 2, 2005 2:07:17 GMT -5
Please explain this in more detail for me.
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