Me? Obey him?

[sister J]

I received a copy of this book, 'Me? Obey him?' yesterday by Elizabeth Rice Hanford. I was wondering if anyone has read it and what they thought of it.

I am very wary of reading books that twist scripture. I'm not saying this book does, but if anyone thinks it does I would like to know in advance. The same goes if anyone has found this book to be very good, it will encourage me to study it.

The main issue I am hoping it will shed some light on is obeying an unsaved Husband who asks us to sin. Some say you must obey in EVERYTHING and that God will not hold you accountable on that situation, but will hold your Husband accountable. (I know the story of Sarah obeying Abraham.) But the word says, he who loves father or mother or wife or husband or son or daughter MORE than Me is not worthy of Me (Jesus.)

So this issue has me confused. Are we to obey our Husbands in everything? Even when we are being asked to do what we know is sin. And if you say, well, only if its a BIG sin you do not obey, like murder etc. Well, then where is the line drawn??

To me so far, we are to obey, so long as we are not being asked to clearly sin. This to me seems why there is written about in the bible the cases of unbelievers who are not willing to live with a believer anymore, and leave. While there are other unsaved Husbands who are still willing to live with a believing wife. Jesus came to create division, not peace, and although obviously we are not to seek division, but to be peacemakers, the very fact that we follow and obey Jesus means there will inevitably sometimes be division with those who do not follow Him.

I have not come to a final conclusion on this matter. I am interested in hearing others thoughts. Last night after having a quick browse through the above mentioned book, I put it in my bookcase in my bedroom. It was well put in, not slidden in between the other books again, seperate from them, but still leaning up well and fully inside the bookcase. During the middle of the night when I was asleep I heard a loud bang. The book has been 'flung' out of the bookcase as if a hand had done it, and has landed on the floor. It was not a soft falling out, it was loud and it landed as if it has been 'propelled' out. These sorts of things do not happen to me, I am not a' hokey, pokey' pentecostal who sees the supernatural in everything. It was extremely odd because there is NO way that book fell on its own and especially the manner in what it did. It was so loud and forceful it woke me up. I only have two thoughts. Years ago I heard on a tape about a girl who was in absolute despair and as she was praying a tape flung out of her tape rack as if it has been propelled. She said there was no way it could of fallen out. The tape was exactly what she needed to hear to put her trust back in the Lord. This is the exact same thing that happened to that book and it made me remember that story. The other thought is that after the quick perusal of the book I had made that night before bed, I hadn't been hugely impressed, and put it in my bookshelf not intending to read it properly in any hurry, and with my life the way it is now, that would probably mean in another 6 months, if that, I would 'maybe' get around to reading it.

Either way, what happened made me pick up the book and decide I had better read it. I have never had that happen before and am still in a little shock it did. I only hope and pray it was God and not the evil one.

God Bless.

[Brother Ben]

Obedience is never permission to sin. There have been posts on this line of thought before. A misguided (to say the least) man never overrides God.

[sister J]

Feb 23, 2013 17:37:05 GMT -5 Brother Ben said:

Obedience is never permission to sin. There have been posts on this line of thought before. A misguided (to say the least) man never overrides God.

So that would be' no' we do not obey a husband when we know what he is asking us to do is sin? These were my first thoughts. But this lady says essentially that all the verses on obeying and submitting have no 'if's' or loopholes, or qualifications. Therefore we must obey in EVERYTHING and then God will deliver us.

If anyone can direct me to the links on where this has been discussed before I would greatly appreciate it.

[Brother Ben]

The bible is a complete work. One passage does not negate another. So, the principle is:

Rom.6
[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

[hilja2012]

Peace to you sister in the name of our Lord Jesus


Very interesting, this same Think has been on my mind..very strange.

I think person with none believing partner understands better, than others.( But some Christians, have been also given the gift of understanding, because God is great and almighty) Why, because of the Sin part. We should never commit sin, but sin can be committed to us without our concent( hmm I don't know if I saying it so you understand) hope so.

I look forward talk with you about it personally when we meet and other things.

This is weird I have been thinking about this, obeying part, I absolutely do not obey my husband " before " my Heavenly Father, first my Saviuor than my husband all IN and through Christ, and there will be Peace. but there is one thing...that we submit, now that word is very Good, the fact we submit, we do not commit sin, but if what " he does" might be sinful( but does not think it is a sin) do we stop it ? I say, if we pray hard enough Father in heaven stops most things that are sinful directly to us from our husbands part. Do not your self take part in it. Desires must be controlled, but if we have our own desires, than we take part and end up repenting, ( i have good example, but dont want to say it here)satan will, if can find any way to mess up Christians. He has no limit.

Nother example..Like when it comes to headcovering, husband says no. I have to listen to the commandment Giver. If we truly want to obey God, we will pray till there is a answer. That is the simple fact. If a women listen to her husband more than Father in heaven, than I believe she is old covenant person, the curtain was torn but wives want to be pleaser to their husbands first and not God, NT says seek kingdom of heaven FIRST, that means above all else, Husbands, riches, happiness anything..and all other will be given to you. We are not bound to anyone exept Jesus Christ, if a wife listens to lukewarm Christian husband or unbelieving husband before then clear commandments of Holy Word of God our Father, she is bound to her husband, and probably to worried about her life without a bread winner. When we truly seek to find the kingdom of heaven all will be orderly though Christ and power of Father.

Peace and God bless.

[sister J]

Thankyou Brother Ben and Hilja.

Yes, I look forward to being able to talk to you about this in person Hilja

It is hard, especially if you have a husband who is estranged from you already.

The headcovering thing is a good point. Most say if your Husband says no, then you must obey him, and pray to the Lord about it. So isn't this obeying our Husbands before God? But we are advised to respect our Husbands and submit to his desires in this case?

I'm just confused where the line gets drawn.

It is interesting you have been thinking about these things too Hilja. I have had to live them out recently, but will explain more in person when we are able to meet.

J

[hilja2012]

Peace


Obey your husband if the head of Christ is on his Shoulders I certainly would, but now It's not, but I still respect him and obey only through Christ. And God is amaizing . Now most Christian women obey their husbands and most also knowing that truly Christ head is Not on his Shoulders, but they still obey into things that are NOT Christ like, blindly because they them self have not seen or met or searched or also don't know how to find the truth, the Truth shall set you free. I don't Judge, but I hate the fact Christianity is being taken through the mud and made so confusingly " hard" . When if we Put Father First he will help us and we will be amazed. I am not saved through my husband( unbelieving/ lukewarm husband is blessed through me if I myself only truly seek God first) but through my amaizing Christ.
Obedience to Heavenly Father first.

Otherwise no compromising with sin, Heavenly Father knows all.
If we start thinking too much we will get unstuck with many things, no man is between me and Father, that is the greatest thing, God wants us to have him first, and it s him first that Will help us. Example.. Would you like if you were second best to you husband to be? Someone else was his first choice. Now think Jesus would he like ( the one that gives all true promise) if you mortal put a man before him? Ok, let say we do put our mans will, obedience to him first, first, and things do not turn out as we thought it would, like it is expected. And we THEN turn to Jesus. How would he feel? Yes some say, he is all forgiving! Yes, he is, but if we are ment to know him that well and are christians, isn't it time we stop taking his Love for granted, and turn to him first in all things, insted of trust man( flesh that is like mist) before Heavenly Father almighty, to me first as well. Now is say this to better women's trust not, in hardness, only through Christ your marriage will be awesome. He is great and loyal to those who are loyal and trusting in him first. We will know the true Love, how to love like Jesus Loved us, in all situations we will know how to LOVE, we all know what the Holy BIBLE says about love. Corinth 13Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

We are ment be Christ like, not still our selves take for granted of our Christs love for us. We have a purpose.



. God is good.

God bless you all.

[sister J]

Thankyou Hilja